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Which comes first?

Posted: Fri May 16, 2003 11:32 am
by NatureBoy
The lyrics or the music?

Posted: Fri May 16, 2003 1:59 pm
by Unremarkable
The Chicken.

Posted: Fri May 16, 2003 6:54 pm
by Forrest
The obvious setup or the tired punchline?

Posted: Fri May 16, 2003 11:15 pm
by John
Now, now, don't make fun. The lyrics are the hard part. Or at least the part that I work on the hardest. It's not so much that they come in any particular order though. I'm always working on both and sometimes they come together and other times they end up fitting together and then other times one gets finished and I'm scrambling to make up the other. I was writing the lyrics to Scared Straight while I was standing in front of the microphone with a half an hour left to get a final vocal take,.

Well, actually, the more I think about it usually the music comes first. Hmm.

Posted: Mon May 19, 2003 9:50 am
by miss michaela dee
John wrote:I was writing the lyrics to Scared Straight while I was standing in front of the microphone with a half an hour left to get a final vocal take.


Sounds like someone works well under pressure. (;

John wrote:Well, actually, the more I think about it usually the music comes first. Hmm.


Is it horribly difficult to match up the rhythm of the song with that of the lyrics? Do you often find yourself having to compromise one or the other to make it all "fit" together?

Posted: Mon May 19, 2003 12:07 pm
by grant
It's not the chorus, then the verses, then?

Posted: Mon May 19, 2003 4:58 pm
by Unremarkable
John wrote:I was writing the lyrics to Scared Straight while I was standing in front of the microphone with a half an hour left to get a final vocal take



Like in the liner notes, the line goes: "It's true little miss mean mini bar guard" but I'm sure you sing "It's true blue miss mean mini bar guard".

Posted: Tue May 20, 2003 4:40 am
by grubi
Music first -- nearly every time. Then you can get all into the haiku mindstate as you try to squeeze your thoughts into proper rhythms and syllables.

At least, that's how I do it on my rockin' new record, produced by the Immortal Canard.

Posted: Tue May 27, 2003 4:21 pm
by NatureBoy
It wasn't a setup forest, it was a legit question...I'm not trying to waste anyone's time.

John: are any of the lyrics a collaborative effort upon finding a theme or idea to sing about? Do you accept input from anyone else in the band, or is writing the songs a purely solitary, cathartic act?

What about the music? Will one of you play a riff and just build off of each other? Or is there composition first and messing around second?

I'm just interested in hearing how this all gets made...

Posted: Fri May 30, 2003 4:55 pm
by John
In the Long Winters the songwriting is pretty much a solo effort. Michael and Eric wrote their own parts for the most part and Sean's harmonies, of course, are from his mind only. One of the reasons that our live show sounds different from our records is that everyone's input is felt in the way the songs evolve. But we don't really write as a group.